The One Thing I Can’t Stand About Colombian Girls

So, the other night, something happened to me which is not all that rare in Colombia.

It was last night actually… but to get the whole picture we need to go back two nights ago.

Let me give you the play-by-play.

The following takes place on a Sunday night via Facebook chat. The girl I’m talking to works nights, and was at work during this conversation.

Me: “Quieres pasar un rato, o sea cuando no estas trabajando?” Do you want to hang out, I mean when you aren’t working?
Her: “Me estas invitando a salir?” Are you inviting me to go out?
Me: “Si.” Yes.
Her: “Jeje, muchas gracias, cuentame que quieres hacer? donde quieres ir?” Hehe. Thank you very much, tell me what do you want to do? Where do you want to go?
Me: “Donde sea, tienes que trabajar mañana?” Wherever, do you have to work tomorrow?
Her: “No, en la noche no.” No, at night, no.
Me: “Well en la noche nada esta pasando las lunes, pero podemos comer algo y mirar una pelicula en mi casa.” Well at night nothing happens on Mondays, but we can eat something and watch a movie at my house.
Her: “Vale, claro que si. Donde vives?” OK. Yes, of course. Where do you live?
Me: “Cerca. Calle *****” Closeby. (A street which is a 15 minute walk from where she works.)
Her: “Vienes por mi a la oficina.” Come for me at the office.
Me: “OK, podemos caminar… te llamo por la tarde mañana ok?” OK, we can walk. I’ll call you tomorrow afternoon, ok?
Her: “Vale.” OK.

The next day, as promised, I call her in the afternoon. No answer.

I wait 10 minutes, call her again. No answer. I leave a message telling her I’ll try Facebook.

She’s not online on Facebook but I sent her a FB message anyway.

30 minutes goes by. Nothing.

By this time, I am getting an inkling like she might do the infamous Colombian flake on me, but I was still moderately hopeful because she gave me a “claro que si” with regards to our plans.

So, evening rolls around and I decide to go to the place she works at. It’s about a 15 minute walk away, but I also needed to get something to eat regardless, so the walk wouldn’t be just for her. (This is something I have developed due to previous experiences with the Colombian flake.)

So, I arrive at the office and ask where she is. They say she’s in the kitchen (her work place has a large kitchen), so I make my way to the kitchen, and there she is. Cooking.

With another guy.

Of course, she is a little surprised to see me walk in and starts apologizing and giving all sorts of excuses as to why she can’t go out.

I told her in response: “You said yes yesterday.”  “I called, you didn’t answer.” “I sent you messages, you didn’t answer.”

She continued to give more apologies, but there she was. Cooking. With another guy.

To top all this off, it looked like she had put herself together. I mean, she wasn’t wearing her simple work clothes anymore if you know what I mean.

Needless to say, I immediately deleted the girl’s number upon leaving the building.

I, ladies and gentlemen, was victim to the Colombian girl flake.

I was livid as I began the walk back to my place.

I mean, I rarely get angry, but when someone does something like this to me, so in my face, I can’t so easily control it. It was blatant disrespect.

I mean, who do you think I am, chica?  Do you really think you can give me an unequivocally positive response the night before, and then completely deny everything the night following?

This comes down to how you treat a fellow human being, much less a guy. I mean, I understand that in Colombian culture, many people (men included) are used to a certain degree of laxity when it comes to planning. They arrive hours late to first destination, they arrive after closing time to the discotecas, and then sometimes they end up at home after a night of essentially riding around in a taxi, being late to everything.

I’ve experienced a lot of this. I can roll with it.

I can also handle rejection if that’s what you want to do. I mean, listen, it is completely within your prerogative to simply deny me, reject me, or ignore me. Simply don’t answer my messages at all. Don’t respond to my calls. Or just outright say “I’m not interested.”

It might sting a little, but I can take that. If that’s how it is, that’s how it is. Que será, será.

BUT, what I can’t roll with is saying YES to something, and then saying NO to it when the time comes to do it.

This is not a matter of “culture sensitivity” or of “being understanding” or of “communication” or of any other matter of politically correct nonsense. This has to do with respect from one person to another.

This girl flat out dissed me.

This was not the first time this has happened to me. Colombian girls flake like it is a genetic trait they were born with.

Even if you get a double-confirmation, there’s no telling when they will suddenly forget about you and your interaction with them. They will try to act innocent about it, but they know damn well what they did. And they’re ok with it.

This is a severe flaw, no matter how hot they seem to be.

I mean, Colombia is a predominantly Catholic country. Catholic theologians of older times have written so eloquently about developing a virtuous life. They talk about becoming a good person, someone who is trustworthy. And, supposedly, Catholics follow the words of Jesus himself who said:

Let your ‘Yes’ be a ‘Yes’. And your ‘No’ be a ‘No’.

But what we have here in Colombia is a female species that allows their Yes to be a No on a regular basis.

These girls flake and flake often because it’s who they are. And it’s a damn shame given how ridiculously gorgeous they are.

For me, it is the one thing I can’t stand about Colombian girls.

I don’t care if you reject me. I don’t care if you say no… But for god’s sake, stop with the flaking.

Upon entering a pizza joint to get my dinner, there was a sweet, attractive paisa girl to take my order. It quelled my anger somewhat, and helped to remind me I’m still in a land of abundance, where beautiful girls are plentiful.

Medellin, unlike many other cities, can bring you quickly back to optimism…

I mean, maybe, just maybe, there is a Colombian girl out there who doesn’t flake on people…




Published March 20, 2012

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  • http://www.expat-chronicles.com/ Colin

    In Latin America, and especially Colombians, they don’t tell you like it is. They tell you what you wanna hear.

    Writing about girls boosts traffic, but honesty more so. Nice one.

    • http://ryangoesabroad.com Ryan

      Thanks Colin. Maybe I’ll write more like these…

  • http://www.opheliaswebb.com Elisa Doucette

    Sounds like a rant from any number of girlfriends who have had a guy say he’d call after a date and never did.  ;)

    That’s a bullshit move, though. Especially to set up another date while blowing off a first date. As hard as rejection is, sometimes rejecting is equally as hard for people. Not wanting to say no or hurt someone’s feelings. Honesty really is the fundamental cornerstone of effective relationships.

    • http://ryangoesabroad.com Ryan

      Yeah, I definitely did not have an effective relationship with this one! lol

      The bigger point of course was about Colombian girls. The flake percentage here is much greater than in other places.

      • http://www.opheliaswebb.com Elisa Doucette

        Haha, when I say relationship I really mean the 24-hour kind. Or, you know, 2-hour kind. ;)

  • http://collegetocareerdesigns.com/ Chelsea Rae Schmidt

    Ha, Ryan… this was a great read.  Sorry about the chica tho.  And its soo not just the women.  I had a Colombian guy do literally the same exact thing to me when I first got here.  Fucking rude!  

    • http://ryangoesabroad.com Ryan

      Haha, the women speak! Lo siento escucharlo, Chelsea. We should commiserate over a drink sometime.

  • invitada

     Well, this was certainly an unlucky situation. I’m a 27 years-old Colombian woman, born and raised here (happily married to a foreigner) and I agree with your point of view, SHE was rude and not very honest, but isn’t it kinda harsh to us Colombian women to generalize and come up with the “flake” thing? Maybe you can try to find an educated person, who can be more reliable? I would’ve never done such a thing, so I would say is not a Colombian costume, but some women are just like that. Go and hang around in an educated environment (universities, etc) and check for girls that don’t try so hard (all dressed up, full make up, no breast implants etc…).

    • http://ryangoesabroad.com Ryan

      If you don’t flake, I’d say you’re a unique Colombiana… But hey, I love it when the ladies dress up. Let’s not get rid of the good stuff. ;)

      • Guest

        Ryan, as a Colombian I can tell you the first problem you have is going for the fake girls, fake paisa women come in pretty packages but they’re full of air. Of course you’re single and a man and anything that appeals to the eyes will go. You have been warned!
        Bogotanas for example don’t go around showing off their boobies and butts as much as the paisas but they are more intellectual and have more brain matter. If you are in love with Medellín, then your best bet like invitada mentioned is to go for the paisa women that have some education, preferably university education. Are you really ready to date a girl who probably spells her own mother tongue 10 times worse than you just because she looks like a Colombian version of Barbie? These girls are usually big gold-diggers, son don’t expect anything better than wild sex but no reassurance besides that.
        Believe me, in comparison to any Euro or Anglo American we Colombians are extremely passionate and sensual even if we don’t all go dressed in skimpy dresses. So yes, there are Colombian women that are not flaky and with enough brains to go beyond the superficial.

        • http://twitter.com/sierrasteph steph sierra

          bogotanas are also uglier, she forgot to mention that..just saying.. im paisa and i dont “show off my boobies”.. you triggered some city rivlary ryan haha

          • Carolina

            Hey girls! We are not only Colombians. We are WOMEN. So let’s respect each other. Tanto en Bogotá como en Medellín hay mujeres bellas (tomando en cuenta los estándares de belleza social y culturalmente establecidos) como inteligentes. Así que por favor rompamos definitivamente con estas prácticas del maltrato.

  • Norsefire666

     Hey Ryan!.. I had some really urgent work to do but instead got hooked up almost 2 hrs reading on your blog. I came here reading about travelling but what I’ve found is a neverending source of not only language advice and travel experiences but also some mind blowing stuff. You really punched me in the Face with the “29 life lessons”. So, I’d really like to congratulate you on your great blog!!… De verdad que me ha encantado. Ahora, espero dejar claro con este comentario que aquello del Colombian flake es simplemente REAL. Me atrevería a decir que es algo mas que todo Bogotano, pero aún como colombiano poco he conocido de mi propio país y no sé si aplique para paisas, caleños, costeños etc… pero en Bogotá es lo mas usual que casi cualquier cosa en la que se queda telefónica o virtualmente con alguien sea, de todas maneras, algo sujeto a no ocurrir. Por acá tenemos claro que cualquier cosa que suene a:

    “CLARO QUE SI”
    “YO TE AVISO”
    “YO TE LLAMO”
    “ES POSIBLE”
    “YA ESTOY EN CAMINO”

    Significa realmente “NO”

    So, make always a plan B when planning stuff to do with Colombians, as we have to live with the burden of the Colombian Flake. I write this as a Colombian who colombian flakes and gets colombian glaked regularly ;)

    Greetings from cold and rainy Bogota!!

    • http://ryangoesabroad.com Ryan

      What an awesome comment! Thanks for the props as well the insider’s info on Colombia… I’m am always happy when my boots-on-the-ground observations are confirmed by another witness. ;)

      Y tienes razon sobre los colombianos. De hecho “te aviso” es algo que he escuchado muchas veces desde muchas personas, solo al fin y al cabo estar decepcionado.

      Salud, amigo!

  • http://twitter.com/sierrasteph steph sierra

    haha this can be true, soy paisa y se que lo he hecho it’s like some kind of a.d.d. we dont mean to do this though, I don’t like to generalize so I wouldn’t say everyone does this but theres always the possibility the girl just doesnt know how to say no and didnt want to offend you by saying she didnt want to hang out, as a girl I know I’m guilty of this just because I didnt want to hurt a guys feelings

    • http://ryangoesabroad.com Ryan

      Gracias por el comentario, Steph… y no te preocupes, ya me encantan las paisitas. ;)

    • http://twitter.com/sierrasteph steph sierra

      Yo creo que todas las culturas tienen sus cosas buenas y sus cosas malas, growing up in the u.s. Ive always hated how people take their friends more seriously than their family and families are rarely united..as a colombian you know what that means to us and its just sad to see that, honestly, when I date someone it’s one of the things I look for, if hes your typical tolerates parents, sees them when he has to, I wouldnt even consider dating someone like that

  • Karla D16

    Hey! Well I read your story and I have to tell you that we are not all like that. I mean, when I don’t want to be with a guy I just say it, done. Girls that do these kind of things are usually slutty. Yes, slutty. “Colombian Flake” That’s just not true. I think girls do this everywhere because they want to feel important! Not because they are Colombian. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed your stay here and come back. 

    The best wishes, Karla D.

    • http://ryangoesabroad.com Ryan

      Karla, have you spent time in the US?

  • the reason !

    the reason !
    I am from Colombia I will give you the possible reason why this girl did that, 2 mistakes that you did in your conversation
    1.when you invite a colombian girl to a plan, never invite to her to your house and never for a movie in your house in colombia this plan is known as “peli-culiar” peli means movie the second part of the word you have to ask what does it means, so the girl was imagining that she would have to deal with you all the night while you are trying to have sex with her and she will have to avoid you all the night while you are ” watching ” the movie, next time , even if it s monday night, take to her to a nice restaurant, a nice place and buy to her, her favorite coctail, Easy!! and fun!
    2.Don t say to a colombian girl that she would have to walk, we are not used to walk in a date to go anywhere,we love hills and even it s close , it s painful, we like to be treated like princess, when she said pick up me , she means come here in a car and do it comfortable for me.
    That s why she prefered to be with the other guy LOL!!!
    And she was polite, she didn t want you to feel bad because you haven t car or because your plan was not fun for her, so she said yes but then no answer, next time be more gentelman, colombian girls like gentelman and to feel comfortable always. Finally you know the reason!

    • http://ryangoesabroad.com Ryan

      So 1) have a car and 2) don’t invite over for movies. Got it. ;)
      Thanks for the comment!

  • http://www.facebook.com/steven.becerra.96 Steven Becerra

    I’m born and raised in US, 1st generation colombian and have had experiences like this one in colombia and new york. Let me just say I usually ended up being the guy in the Kitchen. It’s sounds like you had one those “hard to keep” kind of girls. I’ll give you a piece of advise that has worked for me in the past. ” How to pull a 180º on a Colombian Girl”

    1) Don’t be afraid to be a little aggressive and confident (not overly). If she’s giving you the “Claro que si/No” queue, it’s time to step it up with a, “Pero no me vaya quedar mal oyo? Ya le estoy preparando la carroza.” Now I say this in light of me usually giving off a very nonchalant demeanor. So for me to get a little upset usually comes of as a Joke. Remember Joker good, Choker bad.

    2) Why did I put emphasis on a carriage when you have no car. Well it makes it easier to joke about the fact that, you broke foo. You show up, she’s says where’s my carriage, you say, the horse got sick i think he got food poisoning, says this with a big smile. You’ll make her laugh and at least you got to a point where you can overshadow the no car dilemma with your personality.

    3) Inviting her for a movie at your house for a first date. Baaaad move. Movie theater would’ve been a better idea. House movie is too eager for reasons already mentioned. You can try and pull that off on a first date by telling her you gotta stop by your house for something and then saying, You sure you want to go out? We can always watch a movie here, sin faltar respeto obviamente…pero si quiere que sea grosero, a la orden corazon. Never close the door all the way, metaphorically speaking lol.

    4) And if all goes bad and you show up and she’s with another guy! Cooking! Don’t Bitch at her! Just walk up to her quietly and look her dead in her eyes, never acknowledge the other guy and whisper to her, “Si quiere mañana venga a la casa y me concina…pause, look her up and down and finish off by saying….”mamasota”. Turn around don’t let her answer and walk out! This is kind of dick…but if you do it right it can come off as sexy to “some” women or just confuse the shit out of them…but confused usually leads to curiosity. Plus you don’t owe her any explanations at this point.

    • http://ryangoesabroad.com Ryan

      Awesome. Thanks for the tips, parce!

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